Everyone seems to be on a mission these days to create a great debate topic in this group. A few of them seem to cover the same topics but here's one that got me thinking the other day.....

It seems licensing issues are hanging over a lot of London clubs these days. A couple of examples...

-Herbal having it's hours cut from 9pm - 3am
-Egg having limitations on the music they play in the gardens in terms of levels
-Room 2 @ Koko being turned down to the point where the music in room 2 could just about be heard over the music from the main room (apparently the locals were complaining, but it's only the music coming from room 2).

Now i know the installation of 24 hour drinking in London is a great thing, but are clubs being ruined by the steady rise of posh, or not so posh, housing in Central London areas?

Talking to the manager of Herbal on Saturday, i was told that every old warehouse, or small piece of wasteland is being converted in houses, flat and apartments.

It seems that London living is the way to go, i myself am looking for a move into the centre of the city. But as the number of locals go up, so does the pressure on councils to restrict so called 'Anti Social behaviour' in terms of noise escaping from the clubs.

Will the increasing rise be the end of clubs in Central London? Will clubs have to move into more remote locations away from houses? Or will they have to spend fortunes in sound proofing the venues so they become inaudible to the outside world?

Do you want to travel miles out of the city centre just so billy big trader can get a good nights sleep on a Saturday night in his posh new pad?

One more thing to add. The only 2 that don't seem to have any issues would be Fabric and The End. Both are buried away in underground basements and in areas that, as of yet, seem to of escaped new homes in mass. Will clubbing truely have to venture into the underground?

I thought Herbal has always shut at 3am?

But yes, I played Koko 2nd room NYE and was proper pissed off with the riduclous limiter they had in there.. it was like playing background music.. not good

I imagine there are alot more residential complaints now because of the smoking ban there is alot more people outside and so alot more noise

Will clubbing truely have to venture into the underground?

Everything moves in cycles. Clubbing was born out of the underground, it'll go back underground for a bit, then will re-emerge again stronger and more defined.

The boom of acid house back in the day was at a result of the recession the country was going through; people wanted escapism, clubbing was that escape. Now we're staring down another potential recession, it'll be interesting to see how things pan out.

My opinion is that if you choose to buy a home next to a club or in a lively, noisey part of town then dont expect peace and quiet!

And dont get me started on what the government would rather spend money on than leave us with a few places to enjoy ourselves!

The trouble is Politicians, local governments and police forces don't really like clubs and clubbers. Because of the whole drugs issue they don't really want to help us enjoy ourselves anymore than we already do.

Rather than upstanding residents that pay council tax etc. I imagine there was a massive difference in the percentage of local residents that voted in the local councils elections recently is massively higher than the percentage of clubbers that live in the same areas who voted. So if an politician is saying vote for me and i'll close down clubs earlier, then chances are the local residents will vote for that politician.

My worries are the authorities will always side with the residents, and as the number of residents rises, the power they hold will become greater

The only 2 that don't seem to have any issues would be Fabric and The End

i heard the end was going to suffer the same fate as Turnmills and the key/cross/canvass??!!!

I think all of these closures and shit is a kick up the arse for promoters to find somewhere new and innovative to wow the london crowd rather than throw parties in the same old venues!

or do something new in the venues being used week in week out!

kick up the arse for promoters

They need it!throw parties in the same old venues!

There's only a few of them left!

or do something new in the venues being used week in week out!

Ahmen to that!

Ive been waiting for years for a promotion to do a Manumission style party, where its not just a club night its an experience!

I think all of these closures and shit is a kick up the arse for promoters to find somewhere new and innovative to wow the london crowd rather than throw parties in the same old venues!

is there going to be anywhere in the centre that's going to be allowed to be used as a venue. Will clubbers want to trek out to the London green belt, or an industrial site in Barking etc just for a party?

I wonder how the clubbing scene would be if drugs where legal and taxed!

I wonder how the clubbing scene would be if drugs where legal and taxed!

it would probably be the economies biggest income haha

Do ya think that day time parties like in the toilet will become more popular?

Will clubbers want to trek out to the London green belt, or an industrial site in Barking etc just for a party?


It didn't deter people in the 80s/early 90s...

an industrial site in Barking etc just for a party?

You do need a REALLY good reason to go to Barking.....

Will clubbers want to trek out to the London green belt, or an industrial site in Barking etc just for a party?


It didn't deter people in the 80s/early 90s...

it's very true, but we're not in the 80s or 90s. People have had everything on their doorstep for years and got very comfortable with that.


Do ya think that day time parties like in the toilet will become more popular?

it's a possibility. I'd hope so. But then i don't want nights out to be completely replaced by daytime parties. A lot of people still work saturdays so saturday night is the only chance to get to go out all week

Do ya think that day time parties ... will become more popular?

For me, i'm starting to enjoy some nights where you actually go out at 9pm and go home at 3am, instead of not arriving til gone midnight and having to go home in the daylight. uurgh!

actually go out at 9pm and go home at 3am

Are you getting old?

Im not sure whether 'posh' housing is causing a decline. I think in 10 years time there will be a new bunch of people saying the exact same thing and saying how much better it used to be back in the days of 2008.

I got no problem with travelling about to get to a good club. London is not the be all and end all when it comes to a good clubbing scene and it might be good for people to expand there horizon and venture out to new places............u never know u might actually enjoy it!!!

If people aren't liking their experiences right now then they can change that by trying new places and new things instead of going to the same old same old...obviously you are going to get bored if you constantly go to the same places and the same parties