If it was proven somehow that not only that there is a god but this god is benevolent (i.e god cares about you and wants the best for you, is more than just a creatory force) what changes would you make in your life?
Would you pray, or would you go about your life in the same fashion? Would it make you a better person? Personally I would be relieved.
What would this mean for the civilised world? Do you think it would make a massive social impact, or would seemingly 'inherently' bad people remain bad?
Lets just say they could somehow prove the exsistance of god, but could not prove whether there was a devil or an afterlife. I think the question im trying to pose is...
What would it mean to you?

This was so last year wowzer

thats like asking if Santa was real would you be a good boy?

He's obviously a racist cunt then because he doesn't give a fuck about the Africans.

Without going in to too much detail, as I beleive this stuff has all been covered before, but whether there is a divine creational entity with an opinion or not would make little difference to the way I conduct my life. I've always been a firm beleiver in being true to myself and those around me.

The existence of God, Santa, Lord Lucan or Barney the fecking dinosaur is not going to change that.

This is slightly different, last year we dicussed the possiblities of a benevolent god, this year we are making the quantumn leap (merely for the purposes of debate) that this benevolent god had been discovered.
Lets just say the Large Hadron Colider literally opened up a window to gods exsistance and science was able to rationalise how this was possible etc...

Would you make many changes in your life?

I'm with Alex to a degree - I can't turn back time to reverse some of the shit things I have done in my life but ever since I developed a sense of spirituality in my life I conducted myeself differently. I think that Alex is saying he is a decent human being and doesn't beleive in higher forces (I could be wrong) but I feel that whether god exsists as a benevolent force or is dissproven would make little difference to me these days as I tend to put other people before myself, or at least equal anyway!

As for god being racist - just because it is benevolent doesn't mean that it doesn't have to adhere to universal laws such as nature, perhaps in order to create mankind god had to accept that it was not all gonna be a walk in the park... I suppose that is a theological question - is god (assuming it exsists) all powerful or does the laws of nature have a bearing???

to me? wouldn't matter a jot......i'm happy with how i conduct my life.

So he's powerful enough to create the entire universe in a week but not powerful enough to stop a drought in a small continent on one planet? Plus if he created the laws of nature, how can he be at the mercy of them? He's either a retard or a racist. So again why is it a walk in the park for the whites but a constant nightmare of drought, disaster, war and disease for the blacks? Bit unfair to lump all the worries of the world on their shoulders. Well, unless he's a racist of course.

The logic of it is completely absurd and it's one of the main reasons to discard the idea of an all powerful God that has any interest in human affairs.

Cos he's given up on us as a redeemable race, and continues only to test those with potential?

And what better way to reward the potential of a new born baby than to grant him the wonderful gift of AIDs and an early grave.

Who mentioned christianity?


On a completely unrelated point...

(Q) Have you heard the joke about the baby with AIDS?





















(A) It never gets old.

I think it is not beyond the realms of the imagination (if we are accepting the exsistance of god) to believe that the fundamental laws of nature are a mathmatical mechanical fact - that is to say that god is not able to make a universe of marshmallow where the people are able to shape-shift into any form...

maybe this benevolent god is more of a personality - like a builder, who must use what already exsists in infinity to create a universe like a propegator?
I'm not saying i believe this but I think the dogmatic view on religion is harmful to the spritual imagination. All this 'dude on a cross' stuff is so hardwired to our memeplex its difficult to have a debate without feeling anchored to this view.
To me if there is a god - im sure it is alot more organic than the main religions portay

Well if it took him longer than a week I'm not impressed either.


Well presumably God is also limited by the laws of nature as well then? If not, because he lives outside them, then I don't see why he couldn't change them. I suppose he could be like a child God with lego bricks but then presumably something designed him and that is the real God that we should be discussing?

If we're going to say there are just brute force mathematical facts, like the laws of nature, that require no creator then why not just say that about the whole universe and not bother to appeal to a higher power at all? Not much point in making some fantastical semi-powerful middle man to do what really is the job of fundamental physics and evolution. Physics explains the creation of galaxies and planets, evolution explains the complexity of life. What exactly is left for your child God to do?


That might be possible in this universe for all you know. Certainly I'd wager a world of perfectly altruistic animals living in peace and harmony is not counter to the laws of physics. It's probably not likely through evolution but if someone with immense power and intelligence could design the animals, even within the laws of nature, I'd imagine it would be quite possible.


By extending this back to the route of this branch of the discussion, it seems you're saying the laws of nature might limit this God of yours, and that this would excuse his failing to create a perfect world. If you had the building blocks of life and the ability to manipulate them to your desires, could you and would you do a better job? The planet is a fucking mess if it's designed by a benevolent creator. It's pretty much as it should be if it was created by an amoral force like evolution.

Oh fucking hell, I'm off on one again.

No, what I said was 'I'm true to myself', I didn't say whether that was being decent or not, and further didn't indicate one way or another whether believe in anything or not Althouth the jury is still out on Barney the dinosaur

Your existence makes this impossible.

End of discussion.

is that to say "god" gave up on us as a race during all the previous plagues/epedemics/natural disasters etc?

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