I posed a question in a separate thread, which I think could be deserving of its own (if not, please delete as necessary mods).

The conspiracy theorists among us believe that world events are shaped or controlled by some type of controlling elite and used by them to further their own political and financial gain.

For example, some would say that 9/11 & 7/7 were used more as propaganda tools to whip up public opinion for entering Iraq, when neither incident was really related to that country etc.

Going further back, some would also conjecture that the US elite 'encouraged' the Japanese to attack pearl harbour to encourage the American public to back the country's entry into world war II.

This school of thought tend to also conjecture that this controlling elites main objective is instigating a type of 'New World Order' (NWO) the goal of which ultimately is a 'One World Government' (OWG) or at least a much more centralised power base (say converting the worlds current system of soveriegn states into between 3 - 5 super states).

With this in mind, we then look at the current situation in Zimbabwe (and some other less developed countries in recent history) and the way in which the primary powers (UN / G8) seem to be holding back from getting involved.

Could this be one of the 'tools' which 'the powers behind the curtains' wish to use to get public opinion (in the west at least) to back a more centralised controlling body?

Or do you think that its simply a case of the west being too bogged down in 'wars for Oil' to bother with a country which does not have enough Oil to warrant invasion?

hahaaa

thats quite worrying...

Personally, I think it looks like there are some forces at work shaping political world events for their own ends.

To my understanding though, the concept of this 'organisation' seeking a one world government, raises a few important questions.

The primary one being;

Looking at the way in which this outfit operates, we see that the most lucrative thing for them is war.. Via bank loans, manufacture of armaments and not to mention the good old fashioned divide and rule paradigm. They have the most power while they pursuade governments to go hammer and tongs at each other.

In a world where their was only one state, controlled by them, where would the 'enemy' be, who would they fight?

Or is this why 'we' now have 'the war on terror', an enemy without a country or state?

Could this be a method of getting us used to the idea that we are in a state of war, so that we can have an enemy to focus on, while they still have their one world government?

a cartel of multi national blue chip corporations?

The thing is though, there is no enemy! It's completely fabricated. There is no terrorist threat, well not nearly as much as we are led to beleive. It's entirely made up to give the British and US governments the 'right' to do and say whatever they want and the 'war on terror' is a perfect excuse to get away with anything and everything.

Watch this, it puts a lot of things into perspective..

I think Zimbabwe just isn't important enough, economically or strategically, for them to care. The Us has installed more dictators than it has deposed. Dictators are only evil in the US's eyes if they are a)on their door step and have communist connections or are b) sitting on shit loads of oil but not playing ball.

I thought the same at the time I was at the G8 in Scotland fighting what at times was a pitch battle with the police in scenes akin to the miners strikes in the time of Arthur Scargill. Chinooks were flying overhead and the protective fence surrounding Gleneagles was ripped up and used as a weapon in the effort to get to thye worlds leaders. It finally took hundreds of mounted police hours to disperse the crowd. Millions of people across the country were involved in events and demonstrations the country was finally showing it's discontent at our unjust wars and failure to tackle thrid world poverty and alleviate debt. Then suddenly on the way back a, 7,7 and then b, we've won the fight to host the the olympics. What welcome distractions for the government.

At the time I smelt a rat but now I wonder whether perhaps it was just coincedence. There 'appears' to be a wealth of evidence against the plotters but who are they, who knows them, what really does go on and hown corrupt and controlled are our media institutions. Although I am quite open to ideas of conspiracy and what not I cannot believe that it is bad enough for such a ploy to succeed, that it is so easy to fabricate evidence and deceive so many people and if it is that bad then it is already too late.

There's a strong possibility that the timing wasn't a coincidence, but that's down to the bombers picking that date to cause maximum disruption to the Government and G8 summit, not the Government orchestrating it to distract its own people from the summit! In fact, ironically, you and the other protestors actually shared a common goal with the bombers. As for the Olympics, that was announced on the 6th, and to suggest it has anything to do with the events of 7/7 is ludicrous.

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I agree with you johnny all I said was at the time it seemed strange. I was in no way saying the olympics was anything to do with 7/7 just that is was a convenient distraction from the protests and the whole dirty war as a whole we all know things like the olympics and world cups are bought with bribes and diplomatic incentives.

It also seems strange that bombers would hit when there is a huge protest and obvious show of support for their cause as it were. We would dub it a PR disaster but of cause there is no real sophisticated terrorist network or threat as the government would have us believe it is small cells of people who take it upon themselves so perhaps this is why they commited such a faux par.

Of course the government would want to distract people from the summit to say they wouldn't is ludicrous to say they actually did is a matter for debate. Simply putting it in the middle of nowhere was a good try imagine how many more people would have marched in London and frankly Bono and Geldof's misguided concert antics have started to piss me off as it just diverts people from the genuine protests they are either misguided or stooges.

The problem of course is that it is so difficult to believe that a conspiracy of this magnitude is possible. I don't believe that it is possible but the thing that troubles me is that over the last few decades there have been so many potential conspiracies where somehow coincedently the powers that be have somehow miraculously got exactly what they want out of a situation.

From Kennedey to 9/11 to 7/7 to the rigged election. Look at the dodgy dossier and supposed mobile chemical weapons factories Colin Powell presented to the U.N do you not think that certain people are capable of anything. People just don't get this much luck anyone can vouch for that. I'm not going to sit here and tell you Kennedey was assasinated or that Bush planned 9/11 but what I am saying the law of averages dictates at least one or two of the major conspiracies of the last 50 years are true like I said you don't just keep getting exactly what you need when you need it it just doesn't happen you have to look at motive.

This is JoC not the anti abuse group mate.

It's not the abuse group either

I think we shud start blaming the yanks for everything thats happened now (unjust wars etc) so we don't get the backlash in a few years!

I already blame the Yanks for everything we need to fuck them off ASAP and create a strong united Europe.

You could have fooled me. This groups been over run recently.

I hate to burst your bubble mate, but its the european international banks controlling the US ecomony and industrial machine who are pulling the strings. And have been since about 20-30 years after the original war of independance.

I won't go into the details but the history is in black and white, google: 'federal bank rothschild history' filter out all the crap, and your still left with some interesting surprises (makes for a good read)

True the Rothschild and Rockefeller dynasties I had a fucking really good quote but my comps fucking up and I lost it. I've been trying to respond to your post since you posted in 54 mins ago christ I'm bored today even if I wanted to work I couldn't because the net's so bloody slow.

you could start another thread bemoaning that fact??

lol no point, it would just be another abuse thread.

When Britain was the most powerful nation in the world, they had the British Empire, now that the US are the most powerful nation on earth, they behave belligerently. Meanwhile, the emerging global power of China is busy aggressively investing in sub-Saharan Africa and acquiring resources faster than ever before, and they backed Mugabe too.