Be warned - the following clients need to named for bad payment.

1. ANDY NORTHROP (RHYTHM AT WORK, CAMBRIDGE) - Invoiced NOV 2007.
Pretends to be someone else when he answers the phone at his work place at Doubletree Hotel, Cambridge. Has made no effort to even pay a penny, even though I once considered him a friend.

2. WINSTON YOUNG (THE TELEGRAPH, BRIXTON) - Invoices JUN 2007. Has made no effort to pay, and wen I go to the Telegraph, he claims to have no money even though he has a million pound property. He likes to build up credit, then liquidates the company, wiping all debts. He has done this twice in the last four years. It's because of people like Winston that we have a credit crunch.

3. MARK WILKINSON (KIDOLOGY) - Invoiced JAN 2009. Admittedly keeps good communication, and he has paid off some of the initial debt, all be it in drips and drabs, but he still owes a considerable amount, and it's almost 6 months since my request for payment.


HOW TO ENSURE YOU GET PAID
As a rule, I never send final PDF artwork or eflyers (without "SAMPLE" in a tint written on it), until the money is in my hand, bank or PAYPAL account. Even if you've known them for years, (as with the my list above), people will still fuck you over.
Never send logo's without an upfront payment, or send so small that they are unusable. Ensure "SAMPLE" is also written across them.



Has anyone got any other ways they ensure they get paid?

its all about contracts my friend. that way everything is on paper, it protects you and the client, and if your client doesnt pay, you can see them in court.

can I ask, did you have a contract? did you send a notice to issue claims, did you initiate small claims proceedings? just nosey... sorry I mean curious

Yep, I don't do work for the 'clubbing' industry. Simples.

I cant find the clip from Malcolm In The Middle with Dewey saying "I want my money" repeatedly for a few days so this will have to do.
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They were friends (before they decided not to pay), so it was difficult to do contracts. I may look into it in future though thanks. Do you have a god example I could use?

I only did that with Winston Young, then he liquidated his company for the 2nd time in four years, so it was thrown out. He builds up credit/ loans./ favours then goes bust and pays nothing to nobody. It's a classic scam, wiping off hundreds of thousands in debt.

You should've hollered "We want pre nupt!"





"We want pre nupt!"

HA HA. FANTASTIC. LOVE FAMILY GUY.
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music factory / most wanted / tidy owe me a fair wedge of money from hard dance awards years ago which I never saw a penny for. This was before I was clued up and wet behind the ears. Im going to look into the copyright laws though because my work and logo etc in particular has been used globally on shit loads of stuff since then effectively illegally I think as its my intellectual property.

Shame that as all the work I do for small promoters and stuff aswell and its the biggest client iv worked for who turnover the most money that fuck me about!

Vince Robertson aswell is a massive mug off / c*nt and has shown no attempt to pay me or give a shit.

there is also the standard damo nu religion and wildchild debts but that goes without saying :P

thats what i do if its someone im working with for the first time or know theyr slow at paying up. also saves having to save and send 2 versions; sample then hi-res. :)

Nippa, it sounds as though the amounts owed would warrant a small claims court threat. I did it with £1000 Penguin Books owed me years ago and I got paid within a week for invoices almost a year old. (Admittedly I did send the claim to the Chief Executive ;)

Good luck with it!

Did you not learn after the first 2 not to send out stuff without SAMPLE on before payment is received???

Send them an email with FINAL NOTICE-COURT ACTION PENDING in the subject unless you have home addresses then send it to the address on posh paper. Tell them after seeking legal advice this is your final chance to pay up before you seek recompense from the courts. Tell them the difference between this warning and the ones debt collection companies is you are actually going to do it no matter how small the claim.

You could always sell the debt to a collection agency? You don't get as much as the debt but it stops you having to chase it it.

I looked into that when someone who owed me a fair bit fucked me over and they will only take it on if you have a signed contract. Plus they only offered me a third of the amount owed to me in return for collecting it. Better going through the small claims court. You can do it online too moneyclaim.gov.uk

You'd have to be a fucking retard to do GD work for someone without a contract.

The thing is, if Nippa isn't running this as a proper business, tax etc, then the court will laugh at him. He has to be legit before going to small claims (as I understand business law...) otherwise he is likely to attract rather nasty attention for himself and earn more bills than the cash owed.

It was a 'mate' who I lent money to unfortunately, writing out a contract is the last thing you think of when a so called friend tells you they are in the shit and need help. Oh well, I got double my money back in the end, ways and means :). It was hard work deciding what to spend my extra 3 grand on.

Oh well, shit happens eh?

baseball bat eh? lol x

It shits me that you lend someone cash to get them out of the shit and they screw you. Means that I am less likely to help someone out who really means it.

Haha easier than that. I emailed his mum telling her what a cunt her son is and I'm gonna take him to court. They both turned up at my door the next day, cash in hand and she made him apologise to me. Epic win.

That's is so funny, Joe. Threaten with the mother lols.

I tried to do the same with this cock who owed me money. His mum used to call me all the time looking for him, she called in the middle of the night asking if he was with me, I was like NO, i live in aus. Then I txt her telling her exactly how much of a fucking cock her son is. I'm at the point now I know I'm not going to get the cash back, but his mum really liked me so she blates gave him a fucking proper bollocking haha

Sometimes, knowing they got told off by mummy is more satisfying than getting the money back.

You lying wrinkly owd tart Celshaw you did this one for Flava aid for free.....

Ennit.