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If more drug advisors quit will the government listen? Dont count on it.

Two of the government’s drug advisers quit this weekend and many more could follow in protest at the forcing out of Prof David Nutt – the ex-head of the Advisory Council on the Misuse of Drugs.

The two advisors who quit this weekend are thought to be joined by more this week in a mass revolt by the advisory council. A meeting in a weeks time may decide a complete resignation of all 28 members.

Alan Johnson the home secretary has said "You cannot have a chief adviser at the same time stepping into the public field and campaigning against government decisions. You can do one or the other; you can't do both."

But this is not just an attack on Prof Nutt’s freedom of speech. It's very clear the government don’t like being told the actual facts behind drug use and would rather pedal out a voter friendly tough line on some substances despite the evidence of their independent board of scientists.

This means we keep our draconian laws and the prohibition culture – no-one is helped, but more of the people who choose to take drugs will be punished severely.

The argument that lowering the punishment for cannabis, LSD and ecstasy ‘sends out the wrong message’ is ridiculous. No drug user considers the punishment when weighing up whether or not to take drugs. People will continue to take drugs no matter what the law is. There are not people at home with a pill saved up for when the punishment drops to a lower class.

We don’t expect our members of parliament to know everything – that’s why they organise advisory bodies. But ignoring their findings despite glaringly obvious science begs the question – what is the point in having them at all?

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How can our government continue to turn a blind eye to the facts behind drug use?
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DJBanyon said:
I am from the U.S. and i have to say that is great to see a discussion like this on a DJ site. it is typically taboo to talk about things of this matter (in most situations) especially political matters. Now i have never done drugs or even smoked a cigarette but i believe as long as the drugs are taken responsibly and in a controlled environment there shouldn't be an issue. also if you restrict the use of drugs even more, the people will be more likely to take them. it's pretty much common sens...

3 comments, all on dsi articles......hmmmm


So I can replace my smoking with LSD instead? Niiice

yeaah cos tripping balls is way safer than having a smoke ;-)
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Posted Mon 02 Nov 2009
yeaah cos tripping balls is way safer than having a smoke

It bloody well is, the government scientist told me so
Who laughed: spesh-al-needs and GolGotha
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Posted Mon 02 Nov 2009
Dr-Crank said:
It's common sense until you factor in the segment of the population that can't self-regulate. Look at the people who are "problem" drinkers or smokers.

if you ask me, this is the biggest issue that seems to cause problems all over the world. so do the problems of a few ruin it for the rest? i still haven't figured this out.
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Posted Mon 02 Nov 2009
DJBanyon said:
so do the problems of a few ruin it for the rest?

Lowest common denominator unfortunately. I think a more effective approach would be similar to that adopted in Portugal, which effectively decriminalised drug posession, and focused their attention on rehab for problematic offenders and harder punishment for dealers.
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Posted Mon 02 Nov 2009
It's often said that by legalising drugs they'll become safer. Perhaps, in the case of alcohol, it means that there is no dodgy moonshine floating about the place laced with latent methanol. However in the case of Tobacco it would seem clear to me that the corporations are quite keen on 'cutting' their tobacco with hundreds of chemicals to aid taste, addictiveness and texture with about the long term health effects.
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Dr-Crank said:
which effectively decriminalised drug posession, and focused their attention on rehab for problematic offenders and harder punishment for dealers.

that, i like! i wonder how that is working?
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Posted Tue 03 Nov 2009
Dr-Crank said:
Portugal

I've been to Lisbon twice this year and drug dealing is RIDICULOUS.

I was with Tim and we walked down the main high street.. I turned to Tim and said.. I bet you we get offered drugs within about 2 minutes walking down this street, and literally as I said "street" this old man walked over and offered us coke and weed.

We got offered it about 8 times walking down the central main tourist strip.

Never seen anything quite so blatant or open in my life!
Who laughed: GolGotha
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Posted Tue 03 Nov 2009
JohnB-DSI said:
We got offered it about 8 times walking down the central main tourist strip.

hmmmmm sounds like i need to check expedia
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Posted Tue 03 Nov 2009
Sounds like bad "execution"!
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Posted Tue 03 Nov 2009
If the government want to stop people dying on xtc why dont they control whats been put in pills. most people nowadays end up getting ill because of what the pill has been cut with.
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Posted Wed 04 Nov 2009
A government petition has been started to reinstate Proff Nutt, get your buds in and sign it!

petitions.number10.gov.uk

....unless of course you like the idea of devolving in to an even greater propaganda based society.
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Posted Thu 05 Nov 2009
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A government petition has been started to reinstate Proff Nutt, get your buds in and sign it!

petitions.number10.gov.uk

yeah cos they really make a difference.
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Posted Thu 05 Nov 2009
yeah cos they really make a difference.

Attitudes like that are why they fail
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Posted Thu 05 Nov 2009
Attitudes like that are why they fail

no, blind belief that you are making a difference and not just collecting data is why they fail.

clicking a few buttons on the internet wont actually make that much difference - try writing a letter, people take more notice if a bit of effort goes into it, especially politicians.

example 1 - petitiononline.com dontstayin.com

example 2 -petitiononline.com dontstayin.com
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Posted Thu 05 Nov 2009
A government petition has been started to reinstate Proff Nutt, get your buds in and sign it!

At least if it was a real petition on real paper it could be recycled after the civil servant who recieves it shits on the floor then uses the petition to wipe it up.
E-Petitions are just a waste of electricity, therefore are killing the planet through global warming, you heartless bastard - is that really the attitude you want to be spreading?
Who laughed: spesh-al-needs
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therefore are killing the planet through global warming

like that hasn't been found false yet by real scientists and had the real truth hidden! (screw Al Gore) see i can be paranoid too.

you are all in a way right. too much info does make it harder for the government to work properly. but the more that you sign this type of thing the more help it will do. so if you agree with it sign it and if a hard copy of this comes around, sign that. as i have recently discovered. you must speak up or forever hold your @!%& mouth shut.
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DJBanyon said:
you must speak up or forever hold your @!%& mouth shut.

Exactly.

clicking a few buttons on the internet wont actually make that much difference - try writing a letter, people take more notice if a bit of effort goes into it, especially politicians.

I agree, signing this petition isn't going to make the government suddenly go "oh my god we must reinstate him" but it is a way of registering your discontent.
Yeah a letter would be a better way, but in the end it will just end up the same way as the online petition, a statistic of the number of people who disagree with their actions. And to be fair, more people are likely to take the time to sign an online petition than will write and send a letter.

I understand where you're coming from, but if you do nothing you may as well be in support of them. At least petitions like this convey your stance (even in the most miniscule of manner) in a forum that it will be heard by the people that can do something about it.

Unfortunately these days we have little power of voice as an individual, we can only empower oursleves through number.
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Posted Fri 06 Nov 2009
in a forum that it will be heard by the people that can do something about it.
You think the government is scared of upsetting the internet?
Who laughed: spesh-al-needs
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Posted Fri 06 Nov 2009
andytb said:
Perhaps, in the case of alcohol

have you seen areas of Kent on a Friday ngiht, when alcohol is involved. Or just have a look at Cops with Cameras on ITV, you'll get the picture.
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Posted Fri 06 Nov 2009
You think the government is scared of upsetting the internet?

The internet is fast becoming a more respected and considered resource of public opinion. They take in to account all forms of data amounted from various media.

The current government may not take heed of it, but other parties will constantly be looking to discredit them and this can easily be used by them as fuel for that, and although they may be using it for their parties gain, it is a way of getting our views and wishes met.

I'm done on this now, if you want to try and do something about this; sign the petition, write a letter, preach to passers by outside parliment...however you see fit to convey your views.
If you dont care, dont do anything, but stop bitching about the injustice if your not willing to at least try something.
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