As asked for in an other thread here is some info on Piperazines and mixing them with MDxx.

For a more scientific explanation go to this link

Simply put....

CYP2D6 is the enzyme that breaks down both MDxx and Piperazines. Now when you take the two together they both inhibit the CYP2D6 from breaking down the other. As a consiquence neather realy get broken down and your body can't handle being intoxicated for that long as such. Its thought that taking the mdma first gives the worse results as its the stronger inhibiter.

When you combine all the factors invoved with a good night, drinking, drugs, lots of dancing, sometimes not enough water, etc... you are at a much greater risk of serious harm or possible death through shear exhaustion and over heating.

MDxx =
MDMA
MDA
MDEA

Piperazines =
BZP
TFMPP
cMPP
MDBP
MeOPP


As far as I am aware it is only illegal to sell piperazines in the UK, I believe possesion carrys no charge.

One of the biggest dangers imo is buyin things off randoms in clubs......there is a lot of BZP being sold unkowingly as md........

Mix that with a few jars and a smoke if u do that sorta things, and yr in trouble !

Altho BZP u can sorta tell as they are really well pressed and shiny (when new)

Altho BZP u can sorta tell as they are really well pressed and shiny (when new)

The taste is always the giveaway for me. Though I can't really distinguish the different types of piperazines. Is this reliable or am I over confident in my abilities?

Here are a few rules:

1. NEVER buy pills in a club. I don't care how mashed or desperate you are. It's not worth dying over.

2. Most piperazines around at the moment are small white with a slight edge at the bottom. They are well pressed and shiny and come in a variety of forms. Recently I have seen love hearts, doves and mitsis. They are also lighter than normal pills.

3. If you suspect you have taken a piperazine, do not drink any alchohol and don't take anything else. If you are having a bad comedown, which can happen if you have taken more than one piperazines and/or mixed it with alchohol, then I have found a little Ketamine can take away the symptoms and might help you sleep.

4. Test everything you buy before going out. Testing kits are cheap and they have saved so many of our weekends.

Club safe!

as far as i can remember alot of piperazines smell really bad.. disgusting even.. thats always a good way to tell

4. Test everything you buy before going out. Testing kits are cheap and they have saved so many of our weekends.

You're right, I'm just being a cheap bastard not buying a kit. Especially with something as important as this.

You're right, I'm just being a cheap bastard not buying a kit. Especially with something as important as this.

Thing is though there have been times when a group of us would be using the same stuff. Having tested and discovered that the stuff was dodgy, it actually saved all our friends from spoiling their weekend or even worse, becoming really ill.

You also save a truck load of money as you won't have to throw away pills that you didn't know were dodgy.

A few thoughts.

A lot of piperazines don't smell bad esp those in the various "legal highs" many of which have bzp in them but don't say so (fwiw the neorganics ones seem safe here and i know one or two people who have mixed them with mdma)

Legal status of BZP still unclear. Def OK to possess as it is the MHRA (med and healthcare prod regulation agency) that are now stating that it is their view that it is illegal to sell it because it is an "unlicenced medicine". That in itself is a little doubtful cos their argument is simply there are medicines containing piperazine and therefore all piperazines and their salts and derivatives are medicines and falls under the licensing remit of the Agency. What tedious fucks!!

Anyway I'm not a fan of bzp so......

If you are having a bad comedown, which can happen if you have taken more than one piperazines and/or mixed it with alchohol, then I have found a little Ketamine can take away the symptoms and might help you sleep.

not a good idea! I wouldn't suggest people to take more drugs if their already feelin dodgy...especially a horse tranquilliser come on now!!!

Lurve the horse!!!!!

piperazines

???? what are they???? sorry for being so blatantly dumb coz every1 seems to know lol x

piperazines

well i work at the vets and we sell them as worming tablets!!!
At least none of us will ave worms tho!! lol

but piperazine is in legal highs which u buy from the shops.......i get severe come downs from legal highs, its horrible!! xx

oh thnx... so are piperazines in Es? or are they something seperate? x

so are piperazines in Es? or are they something seperate? x

if its a good e then no it will have mdma or similar, if its a legal high it may have mcp or bzp. i had rockets last year and they were definately bzp or similar as i was very ill and i only had 4..and i know the difference between strong pills and just pure shit pills....i was drinking as well and had a couple of good pills about 6 hrs after and felt fine..just a pity i only last 2 hrs into a 12 hour event...

.......i get severe come downs from legal highs, its horrible!! xx

im the opposite dont get comedowns on legals but im just really scatty for the sunday an monday but that dont really make much different tbh! but the sleep deprivation is just like base...it keeps me awake allnite then all day sunday and all nite sunday usually!

not a good idea! I wouldn't suggest people to take more drugs if their already feelin dodgy...especially a horse tranquilliser come on now!!!

Sigh. It's not horse tranquiliser. It's given to human during any anestesia in any operation around the world. It's the only drug that is clinically tested and it's actually safer for you than weed but there is a lot of bad press about it due to people taking too much at once. All it will do is calm you down and take away the negative feelings.

I have had some of the worst comedowns ever when taking BZP (it was sold to me as E) and the only thing which helped at all was K. I might want to add that a friend of mine is a surgeon and it was actually on his recommendation.

Worked like a treat!

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THIS WAS ALL NEW TO ME AND THIS IS WHAT I COULD FIND OUT...

BZP (recreational stimulant)
Users report alertness, euphoria and a general feeling of well being. The perception of certain sensations such as taste, colour or music may be subjectively enhanced. The average duration is longer than that of dextroamphetamine, typically lasting 4-6 hours with reports as long as 8 hours depending on the dose. A recent study has shown that mixtures of BZP with other piperazine drugs such as TFMPP share certain pharmacodynamic traits with MDMA

SOUNDS GOOD TO ME!

TFMPP (hallucinogen)
BZP and TFMPP has been associated with a range of side effects, including insomnia, anxiety, nausea and vomiting, headaches and muscle aches which may resemble migraine, seizures, impotence, and rarely psychosis, as well as a prolonged and unpleasant hangover effect similar to that produced by alcohol. These side effects tend to be significantly worsened when the BZP/TFMPP mix is consumed alongside alcohol, especially the headache, nausea and hangover.

However it is difficult to say how many of these side effects are produced by TFMPP itself, as it has rarely been marketed without BZP also being present, and all of the side effects mentioned are also produced by BZP (which has been sold as a single drug). Studies into other related piperazine drugs such as mCPP suggest that certain side effects such as anxiety, headache and nausea are common to all drugs of this class, and pills containing TFMPP are reported by users to produce comparatively more severe hangover effects than those containing only BZP. [9]

pFPP (hallucinogen)
has little stimulant effects. Its effects have been described as similar to a cross between Fluoxetine and a very small dose of LSD. higher doses cause a range of side effects including migraine headaches, muscle aches, anxiety, nausea and vomiting.

BOTH SOUND BAD

but how do we tell what is what?

I Got GIVEN A "e" At The Weekend, Was Apparently A Smirf - It Looked Different From What I Usually Take - There Wasnt Anything Pressed On it..

Just Put It Away And Gona Get It Test It As And When I Can

Anyone Else Found Anything Simular?
If So What Was It?