Taken from a site quoting a reliable underground MDMA producer in Holland....

'In short: almost no MDxx synthesis precursors available.

im december 2008 three mdma/mdea/mda precursor chem suppliers have been busted.

2 in holland, 1 in uk. they were suppling heliotropin (= piperonal) in big amouts to the undergound cooks in mainly .uk and .nl. Some of those were reselling the heliotropin again, this is how the police caught up with the inner supplier circle.

it's estimated that these 3 suppliers are responsible for 90%+ of europe's (illegal) ecstasy precursor supplies, thereby responsible for 90%+ of all ecstasy pills from the last years.

at current state, only very few ppl in europe have access to essential mdxx precursors, like ppl working in research facilities or similar. This is why there are only very limited 'good' pills available'

Not good news folks!

gutted hey......
still dont no way they dont want us too get high man....
im 32 work, & sholud be able too what i want with my money n body....
if they taxed it n made it legal they could make about a few billion a year rather than spendin millons tryin too stop it...!!!

This is the bit that seems a bit hard to swallow. Home Office estimates* are that use of MDMA within the population has remained essentially static for more than ten years. Does it seem likely that producers would put almost all their eggs in only three baskets? Does it seem likely that that can have been the situation for so long (i.e. that there were only three suppliers for 90% of product ten years ago), but it's only now been addressed by law enforcement.

The problem is all this is hearsay - there are no "proper" media reports to substantiate the various claims relating to the "drought." It worth bearing in mind that the most pravelant story until recently was usually along the lines of, "some of the chemicals used to make E/MDMA have been made illegal," when in fact there has been no change in their legal status in the UK, at least. Now we're getting a twisted variation that does reflect the reality that precursors intended for other purposes are siphoned off, but the claims as to the importance of so few points of supply just doesn't seem credible.

Considering there is a lot of BZP and piperazines to get rid off, it's in the interest of certain parties to exagerate any claimed problems with genuine MDMA production, at least until that "surplus" has been disposed of.


* uk.sitestat.com

I heard this while in Amsterdam and Ibiza from two different sources in the last few months as well. Appearantly the reason for this three was because it was run like a monopoly like these things usually are but it is because of the clampdown on these precursors that we have this gap in the market.

The irony is that all this prosecution has only led to more kids getting ill and dying from the chemicals which they have used as replacements. It's the same with coke at the moment where the quality has dropped and all kinds of mixing agents are being used which can accelerate the development of cancerous tumours. It's like they thought less people would be doing drugs if you clamp down on the sources but instead you have kids taking this replacement shit which is even more dangerous.

(slow claps)

Fact is the lack of MDMA is this country and by all reports in the likes of Holland as well is very, very worrying

dunno if a agree with the coke thing, the last 3 times i have done it (within the last 2 months) .. it's been the best stuff i have done in a long while.. i was nearly goign to give up sniff for good coz it was getting so awful but then some wicked stuff has been floating around lately

did anyone see that programme about legal highs the other week on channel 4?

one of the the UKs top toxicologists said if you're gonna do either legal highs or mdma....he'd rather people do mdma
not all this BZP and piperazines rubbish thats in so many beans these days

this 'drought' is only making it more dangerous to take lil things

Its been a good 6 months now before I saw any clean MDMA or pills and a good year since I actually took any myself. I know of people who claim to have had clean MDMA or pills recently but I am always skeptical until I see that marquis turn black myself. There are a few good reasons for this drought as many people know and I can see it lasting a bit longer until the chemists find newer routes to synth MDMA. Not many people realise that even without piperonal and saffrasas its still possible to synth MDMA, there are after all many more ways to skin a cat it just happens that those methods are usually more difficult, require a higher skill level or require chems even more difficult to obtain. IF there is one thing iv leaned from some of the candelestine chemists iv spoken to over the years (most of them in the US or AUS not here) they are some of the most resourceful people around and they WILL find a way eventually.

Where you from? i live in Scotland but i'll happily move, give up my life and enjoy good sniff.

Yeah I'd so much rather do MDMA as well. Mephedrone is good but it aint like good MD. Simple as

but u gotta admit, that mephadrone is fucking dynomite!!!

M8 I didnt have it cause I wasnt loving it. Still am :) :)

eh? lol i always find it hard to understand u. jonny would never want o phone u on holiday cause he couldn't make u out. so i always got stuch with trying to make out ur accent haha!!

lol English love our accents and can understand us. Must be a Scottish thing lol

nope, its' an english/irish thing :D

I can accept the idea that these three sources might have been the source of a major chunk of production, but 90% doesn't seem credible. If we accept the Home Office's estimate (and there are reasons to believe it's a underestimate by at least 50%), and we take an average "instance of use" as three pills, that's 78 million pills a year, so 90% is 70.2 million a year. Being lazy and using the figures on Wikipedia estimates a yield of 1,300-2,800 120mg pills from half a litre of Ocotea cymbarum, which is 80-94% saffrole. At the lowest percentage and the lowest yield of pills, that's 21,600 litres of safrole; at the highest percentage and the highest yield, 11,784 litres of safrole. Obviously the reduction chain goes safrole -> isosafrole -> piperonal, so if we're talking about the latter you'd need much smaller quantities, but they're still pretty big to be going walkabout from just three sources.


I'm still not wholely convinced that the BZP and pips aren't a partial cause, rather than a symptom of the drought. Someone I know found a couple of white tulips on the floor of one club's smoking area quite recently, and checking on pillreports.com showed that they're from a batch that appeared well over a year ago. Granted, they might have been from one (butter-fingered) individual's personal stash, but they could equally suggest that there's a lot of old stock that suppliers are still trying to get rid of, and it would certainly be easier to do at a time when there is a shortage of genuine MDMA.

This man knows his shit! /\

lol was going to say the same. I know about Safrole but half a litre of Ocotea cymbarum lost me :)

The trick isn't knowing stuff, it's knowing how/where to look for it, e.g.:

US Drug Enforecement Agency bulletin November 2005

The Ocotea cymbarum stuff is about halfway down. Obviously these bulletins are largely concerned with the situation in the States, but the latest - May 2009 - document BZP, MCPP and other piperazines are showing up there, as well. Bizarrely, a lot are "shaped" rather than traditional round pills. The bulletin for November 2006 is interesting for anyone who wants to know what an industrial scale MDMA & crystal meth factory looks like....

LOL i'm all the way in surrey, just outside SW-london.. so a bit of a trek and change for you.