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If more drug advisors quit will the government listen? Dont count on it.

Two of the government’s drug advisers quit this weekend and many more could follow in protest at the forcing out of Prof David Nutt – the ex-head of the Advisory Council on the Misuse of Drugs.

The two advisors who quit this weekend are thought to be joined by more this week in a mass revolt by the advisory council. A meeting in a weeks time may decide a complete resignation of all 28 members.

Alan Johnson the home secretary has said "You cannot have a chief adviser at the same time stepping into the public field and campaigning against government decisions. You can do one or the other; you can't do both."

But this is not just an attack on Prof Nutt’s freedom of speech. It's very clear the government don’t like being told the actual facts behind drug use and would rather pedal out a voter friendly tough line on some substances despite the evidence of their independent board of scientists.

This means we keep our draconian laws and the prohibition culture – no-one is helped, but more of the people who choose to take drugs will be punished severely.

The argument that lowering the punishment for cannabis, LSD and ecstasy ‘sends out the wrong message’ is ridiculous. No drug user considers the punishment when weighing up whether or not to take drugs. People will continue to take drugs no matter what the law is. There are not people at home with a pill saved up for when the punishment drops to a lower class.

We don’t expect our members of parliament to know everything – that’s why they organise advisory bodies. But ignoring their findings despite glaringly obvious science begs the question – what is the point in having them at all?

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How can our government continue to turn a blind...
How can our government continue to turn a blind eye to the facts behind drug use?
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Posted Mon 02 Nov
They can continue because drugs is such a reactionary issue that can lose them loads of votes. As none of the major parties are offering any different policies on drugs they can all keep the status quo.

However as you rightly say, drug users pay no attention to the law when deciding if to take something or not. Given thats the case it is probably not a vote winning issue, people will carry on taking them whatever the government think, they are easily available and the majority of people dont get busted most of the time, so they are not going to vote against a party just around the classification of drugs.

If one party went all hardline or all soft on drugs it might win or lose them some votes but otherwise it is a non issue at the ballot box. I bet also that drug users are statistically less likely to vote for all sorts of obvious reasons.
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Posted Mon 02 Nov
It's shocking that the government can ask for an 'opinion', and then eject the person that gives their opinion simply because they don't agree with it.

Sounds to me like a government advisors opinion matters only if it is a 'prim and proper' one!
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Posted Mon 02 Nov
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it is a load of ball the government bring half the drugs in to the country and then bust people just to make them look good they dont care weather we take drugs or not all they care about is great big houses and flash cars with a big bank balance if they were to minimize the fines and punishments it is less they get
Who laughed: MC-DIESEL
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Posted Mon 02 Nov
the government bring half the drugs in to the country
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Posted Mon 02 Nov
it is a load of ball the government bring half the drugs in to the country and then bust people just to make them look good they dont care weather we take drugs or not all they care about is great big houses and flash cars with a big bank balance if they were to minimize the fines and punishments it is less they get

honestly, your first comment is on this? how did you find it?
Who laughed: Kenners
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Posted Mon 02 Nov
I wonder how frank feels about this..
Who laughed: ravinirishlaura69, Francisco and spesh-al-needs
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Posted Mon 02 Nov
it is a load of ball

What...? As in ball shit??

Anyone else ever seen a ball shit before?
Who laughed: emmi-VCP-D-RAILED, GolGotha and Owain-DSI
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Posted Mon 02 Nov
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Jason-DSI said:
spesh-al-needs said:
it is a load of ball

ima watching you - i never said that ;-)

could of been balls
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Posted Mon 02 Nov
Jason-DSI said:
Anyone else ever seen a ball shit before?

Have you ever seen the wind? Just because you can't see it doesn't mean it doesn't happen, look at toy story, Im still paranoid as fuck and that and it was released years ago.
Who laughed: Turtle-in-a-Trolley and spesh-al-needs
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Posted Mon 02 Nov
Sorry for being off topic there, but that made me laugh.

Sorry Spesh, quoted the wrong person ;-)
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Posted Mon 02 Nov
Jason-DSI said:
Sorry Spesh, quoted the wrong person ;-)

thats ok, can we take the micky out of the chicken who wasnt brave enough to post under his real profile some more now please?
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Posted Mon 02 Nov
it is a load of ball the government bring half the drugs in to the country and then bust people just to make them look good they dont care weather we take drugs or not all they care about is great big houses and flash cars with a big bank balance if they were to minimize the fines and punishments it is less they get

The hills have eyes.
Who laughed: spesh-al-needs
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Posted Mon 02 Nov
It's such a shame his last name is "Nut"!

Some interesting stuff:

Professor David Nutt's harm index, published in a controversial paper entitled Estimating Drug Harms: a risky business, is based on scores allocated for 20 substances based on physical harms, dependence and social harms.

He identifies three main factors that determine the harm associated with any drug of potential abuse: a) the physical harm to the individual user caused by the drug; b) the tendency of the drug to induce dependence; c) the effect of drug use on families, communities and society.

1. Heroin (Class A)
2. Cocaine (Class A)
3. Barbiturates (Class B)
4. Street methadone (Class A)
5. Alcohol (Not controlled)
6. Ketamine (Not controlled)
7. Benzodiazepine (Class B)
8. Amphetamine (Class B)
9. Tobacco (No class)
10. Bupranorphine (Class C)
11. Cannabis (Class B)
12. Solvents (Not controlled)
13. 4-MTA (Class A)
14. LSD (Class A)
15. Methylphenidate (Class B)
16. Anabolic steroids (Class C)


A bit surprising he rated Ket above Tobacco!

I have no idea how we 'win the war on drugs' but i think it's pretty disgraceful that this guy should be fired for telling the truth!
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Posted Mon 02 Nov
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JB you missed 17-20.

For what it's worth, MDMA (Class A) was #18. I believe Khat (contains cathinones like 4-MMC and MDMC) which is not controlled is 19 or 20.
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Posted Mon 02 Nov
Thanks DrSuave.. it was #20
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Posted Mon 02 Nov
I am from the U.S. and i have to say that is great to see a discussion like this on a DJ site. it is typically taboo to talk about things of this matter (in most situations) especially political matters. Now i have never done drugs or even smoked a cigarette but i believe as long as the drugs are taken responsibly and in a controlled environment there shouldn't be an issue. also if you restrict the use of drugs even more, the people will be more likely to take them. it's pretty much common sense if you stop and think about it.
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Posted Mon 02 Nov
So I can replace my smoking with LSD instead? Niiice
DJBanyon said:
it's pretty much common sense if you stop and think about it.

It's common sense until you factor in the segment of the population that can't self-regulate. Look at the people who are "problem" drinkers or smokers.

So I can replace my smoking with LSD instead?

You could soak cigars in LSD! (no, the US Government (CIA) never did this to the FBI.. no it never happened)
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