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Goodnight Cocoon Heroes

This article is about Cocoon Heroes *Grand Closing* @ Amnesia in Ibiza (Spain), Mon 26 Sep 2011

Renowned for his crazy parties and flamboyant lifestyle, DJ Sven Vath has been hosting the wildest and most eccentric club night on the world's biggest party island Ibiza for 12 years. Cocoon Heroes (this year's theme) celebrated a grand closing party at Amnesia last night, totting up another year on the party calender.

The night kick started with an extraordinary line-up, Loco Dice and Maetrik live in the main room whilst Ricardo Villalobos, Raresh, Onur Özer, Tobi Neumann took care of the terrace. Sven finished in the main room delivering exactly what was expected, some seriously wicked Techno.

For those that were lucky enough to be there, the event was a sell-out, 9 hours of solid dancing and the club didn't close until 8 in the morning when the sun was well and truly up.

As if hosting the busiest night on the island isn't enough, Vath also has his very-own club (surprisingly named Cocoon) in his hometown Frankfurt, Germany. The club's design boasts a 100 metre-long membrane wall with flickering holograms, cocoon-like pods and is 29,000 ft square. Not bad eh? So if the thought of the winter kicking in is depressing you as summer draws to a close, fear not as Sven is hosting his birthday party at the uber-club next month. To mark another year in the business in true-style Radio Slave and Chris Tietjen amongst others will play through the night as part of the celebration. For more information click here: cocoon.net

This year Cocoon Heroes has seen the likes of Richie Hawtin, Marco Corola, Josh Wink and Jamie Jones alongside many others take the stage at Amnesia contributing to a doubtlessly spellbinding journey. Were already looking forward to next year...

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Definitely can't miss Cocoon next year :-) Woul...

Katie-DSI

Definitely can't miss Cocoon next year :-)

Would have loved to have been at the closings, a few mates were. JEALOUS!

I didn't even get to Ibiza this year! Did Thailand for 2 months instead. Not bad ;-)

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I was playing in room 3 at koko once when SHM were playing in the main room. I did wander in there at one point to see what all the fuss was about. Don't think i lasted anymore than 2 minutes before having to walk straight back out again

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Posted Wed 28 Sep 2011

Katie-DSI

Haha it isn't my thing AT ALL what they play, but they have done well for themselves that's for sure!

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Posted Wed 28 Sep 2011

SteveArnold

Katie-DSI said:

Haha it isn't my thing AT ALL what they play, but they have done well for themselves that's for sure!

Pretty much sums up my stance on them. It's entry level dance music, same as Guetta etc. Great for dance music in general as it attracts new people to eh scene but not for me personally.

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Posted Wed 28 Sep 2011

RobMarchant

SteveArnold said:

Pretty much sums up my stance on them. It's entry level dance music, same as Guetta etc. Great for dance music in general as it attracts new people to eh scene but not for me personally.

I do like some of Steve Angello's production though. But then again, I've heard that a lot of major artists don't even make their own music. Tossers.

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Funk-Bugle

Somebody help me here, this has been really pissing me off since August. Heard someone play a tune at Pacha, it's an 80's Chicago type early early house record and the chorus goes something like "Runaway runaway runaway with me" and the song is about a gay man that is married and wants to runaway from his life of repression. Heard it in Ibiza then had a whole discussion about what a classic it was with someone then immediately forgot what the name of the tune was and who made it, and it's been really annoying me since then. It's on Youtube under anything I've searched for either.

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RobMarchant said:

I do like some of Steve Angello's production though. But then again, I've heard that a lot of major artists don't even make their own music. Tossers.

depends what you mean by 'don't make them'. This discussion has been done before. If they're in the studio with a knob twiddler saying 'i want the bassline like this or the percussion like that' does that mean they didn't write it? If an author dictates a book to an office hand, does that mean the office hand wrote it?

Plus on the flip side, because of illegal downloads, dance music artists generally make their money from the DJ gigs they get from the exposure of the releases, so if they make money from touring and not the releases, then it's understandable that they'd spend more of their time preparing for gigs than actually making tunes.

I'm not saying it's right (or that you steal music Rob) but I hardly think the listeners have any right to complain about who made the music that the listeners didn't even pay for.

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Posted Wed 28 Sep 2011

Chairman-Moo

RobMarchant said:

Well, we have just remixed ZZ Top, so I should probably shut the fuck up.

Wasn't going to say anything but....;)

..imo that remix is better than any of the tripe i've heard spouted from SHM's recent developments anyway!!!!

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Posted Wed 28 Sep 2011

Love-Lizard

RobMarchant said:

Steve Angello

I used to really like a fair bit of his stuff about five years ago.

XI said:

I'm not saying it's right (or that you steal music Rob) but I hardly think the listeners have any right to complain about who made the music that the listeners didn't even pay for.

I don't think artists have a right to complain that people aren't paying for their records when a significant majority of them are using hooky software/vsts/sample packs etc.

Just sayin ;)

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Love-Lizard said:

I don't think artists have a right to complain that people aren't paying for their records when a significant majority of them are using hooky software/vsts/sample packs etc.

so the artists have no right to complain that the llisteners are stealing their music because they're not using paid up software. And the listeners have no right to complain that the artists aren't making the tunes that their stealing?

So no one has any rights? haha

Hardware and vinyl were much simpler and a much fairer world haha

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Love-Lizard

XI said:

So no one has any rights? haha

Nope :D

XI said:

Hardware and vinyl were much simpler and a much fairer world haha

Nonsense, dear boy! The CD is dead, go get a day job instead. I think the accessibility of "free" software and "free" tunes has put Joe Everyman back in the creative driving seat. As long as everyone knows the score, write tunes, chuck em out, if people like them they might book you for a dj/live set.. you might make some money but who cares. As long as your costs are covered to a degree then you're winning.

If dance music is to survive then it needs to be accessible to all, not just pie in the sky I-can't-afford-pioneer-cdj200,000,000-decks-and-a-£100-per-month-music-bill-so-I might-as-well-not-bother.

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RobMarchant

XI said:

If they're in the studio with a knob twiddler saying 'i want the bassline like this or the percussion like that' does that mean they didn't write it? If an author dictates a book to an office hand, does that mean the office hand wrote it?

The knob twiddler/producer is creating and shaping the sound; using their skill to create something that sounds good. Obviously there's a lot of input from the "artist", but the producer has the talent.

Chairman-Moo said:

..imo that remix is better than any of the tripe i've heard spouted from SHM's recent developments anyway!!!!

Cheers again :0)

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Posted Wed 28 Sep 2011

Funk-Bugle

RobMarchant said:

That's been going on since digital music began, I'd make a strong wager that most production groups or duos have one member that is the more technically sound and the other one just throws in ideas.

I know for a fact that one half of Chase and Status, at least back in the day when they were putting out DnB tunes, had very little technical knowledge of production programmes etc. but had good ideas and was better at networking and talking to people to try and get the releases out.

Even in the 80's and 90's people used to just throw down the vocals over the drums and then send off their albums to be fucked about with by a million boffins until it sounded good/better, that's not going to change anytime soon. You get people like Dan the Automater and Dj Shadow producing albums for bands sometimes, that doesn't mean the bands songs aren't their own any more they've just been added too by someone they've appointed to give it a different feel or sound.

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Love-Lizard

Also I know lots of people who are great with synths and EQ mix downs etc who don't have a clue about music theory and find it hard to come up with the actual melodic end of the tracks.

For me it doesn't matter how loud or crisp all the various parts of the track are, I want to hear someone with ideas, not skills.

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Another god example of duos is Evil Nine. When they perform DJ sets Tom does all the mixing and Pat just messes about on his laptop adding effects and shit. However in the studio Pat does the technical stuff whilst Tom probably sits about and scratches his ass chucking in a few ideas every now and then.

Technical knowledge isn't necessarily talent. Some people just can't get their head round computers, so they could sit and struggle on their own for years and achieve nothing or sit down with a producer who knows what they're doing and get a track made in an afternoon.

I'll go back to my earlier comment, if an author dictates a book to an office hand who writes it all down, does this mean that the office hand wrote the book? Will it be the office hands name on the front cover?

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Funk-Bugle

It's not a great analogy, anyone can type something into a computer and it'll be the same, there's no skill or knowledge involved in typing and you can change the typist round 10 times and get the same result. A different producer would know different things and do things differently and you'd get a different result everytime unlike with an office hand typing out a dictation.

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Posted Wed 28 Sep 2011

SteveArnold

Funk-Bugle said:

Not necessarily. An author wouldn't dictate word for word what was written, they would say what they wanted to say and the ghost writer would write it in an interesting manner.

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SteveArnold

I think we're getting producers and engineers mixed up here too.

Producer = The guy with the ideas.
Engineer = The guy that makes them happen

The vast majority of artists use engineers for the exact reason Funk just mentioned, they have the technical know how to make it happen.

Are you going to tell me that Sasha is a cheat because he uses Charlie May to engineer for him. Course he isn't.

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Funk-Bugle

Ghost writer isn't an office hand though.

XI said:

an author dictates a book to an office hand who writes it all downould write it in an interesting manner.

Steve said:

"Make it more interesting"

Two different concepts there.

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Funk-Bugle said:

It's not a great analogy

I'm sort of stripping back to it's simplest form. I'm sure there's artists who go into the studio with producers and the producers offer no input of their own because the artists have a very clear mind of what they want the track to sound like. But then i'm also sure there's plenty of artists who work with producers who both chuck in ideas and the track is essentially a collaboration, but goes under the name of the artist because they've paid the producer for their time and effort so they take the full credit. I'm sure the producers don't mind because that's their job and that's what they've signed up for.

And not forgetting that producers aren't necessarily performers. They may be hugely talented but extremely shy and don't want to have to get up and perform infront of thousands of people just to pay the bills every month.

With the book analogy I'm purely talking hypothetically to get my point across

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Posted Wed 28 Sep 2011

Funk-Bugle

SteveArnold said:

Producer = The guy with the ideas.
Engineer = The guy that makes them happen

That's another argument, you could almost get down to saying that somebody else might make it sound different by mixing it etc. and it all gets ridiculous.

I do find it funny that some artists spend all their time trying to make things sound "old" like Mark Ronson or Kasabian. Despite all the advances in technology their main aim is to make something that sounds like it came from an era pre-technology, and they probably use a mixture of really old instruments and brand new super expensive technology, just to make it sound like it was from the 60's!

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