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i just move to tenby go raving all the time but trying to find a rave here is like frogs under a rock can someone please send me the location details and starting time of this here rave cant see the starting time etc etc cheers justin0787@hotmail.com

how did this shebeen go down?

Erm, lets just say, there must have been a huge party somewhere else.....on the same night.....

i see

I think i was told by the club that there were less than 80 paying people

ouch! - somebody got their fingers burnt.

It was a good idea though and i admire anyone going out on a whim and doing something different, i've heard alot of promoters have been loseing small fortunes on partys recently, this is the problem with these types of events(for the promoters i mean), if it goes tits up & no one turns up for what ever reason then the promoters finished, if the artist is on a contract you can't get away with paying them less or not paying them at all, so suddenly the promoters in debt.

my idea is this - put together a consortium of as many promoters dj's, mc's & ravers from west wales who would all be willing to invest 100 squid towards a new event. say you got 30 ppl together from all over thats 3grand - you could put on a tip top event for 3grand. So the event would be payed for before you start. You then go and print tickets which for a 3k event would be worth a tenner each. These tickets would then be divided equaly between the 30 investors. I've seen on here that matisse holds about 1000 ppl - so that would mean roughly 30 tickets to each investor. The investor then only has to sell 10 tickets to get his/her investment back and if they sell all 30 make themselves 200 pounds and have a free night out and a play out if you'er a dj that invests.

This would be good for smaller promoters who want to do something on a larger scale but haven't the funds. Essentialy if you think you can sell 30 tickets you may aswell invest cos it will make you 200 quid and whats the worst that could happen? you can't sell all the tickets you thought you could and lose 100 (and thats if you sold none), it wouldn't bankrupt you. If all went according to plan you would be part of a promotions consortium runing the biggest dance night this side of swansea and making 200 quid in the process. Im not talking about doing this every month - maby 3 or 4 times a year. A big fuck off party getting lots of people involved.

Alot of promoters like to involve the least amount of people when running a party, so they make more money, but how many promoters round here actualy make good money out of their partys anyway, so why not do it this way, shareing the promotion with 30 other people from all over west wales would make it so easy to run.

the problems with this idea start when you look at music styles, dj times and picking a line up(how to spend the 3grand that ppl have invested). i guess it would have to be a democracy and things would have to get voted on in a forum or something......... Rant over

DISCUSS......

owf....think the club is dieing or the scene down here is...thats bad for that line up

its not there problem if it goes tits up, the people who have agreed a price should get paid regardless if 20 people or 2000 people turn up....!


what are you on? you could put on a shit line up for that price lol, do you know how much it costs to do a event at the club?

You'd be amazed how many DJs / acts etc have never been paid the full amount over the years, contract or not...


Promoters are always in a reasonable amount of debt...lol
Its an idea, bit the whole point of making an investmenet, wouild be to get some kind of return, and with that number, in fact anymore than 5 or 6 involved, it would be hard, & then there is the added complication that it is hard enough to get 2 people to agree what to do, let alone the ensuing arguments that would result if you had 5+ involved. 30...thats a fucking war of words from the strat!


We are doing fine on our own, we dont make mega bucks, but 5 years of experience in this area + 7+ years elsewhere in the UK, have provided myself with the acumen to ensure an event works well. Or as well as can be expected. Its very, very, very easy to run away with a budget, and then be left in the cold when the required number of people dont come.


What you are basically refferring to is essentially investors in a company that will want some equity & a dividend for thier investment....a bit like Dragon's Den. It can work, but the company needs to be a well established & profitable enterprise before attracting investors. New Companies always find it hard to attract investors, & arts / entertainments are very high risk sectors.




Matisse is licenced for a MAXIMUM of 695 ppl, including staff, and if an event running, that includes your guest list, and in some cases, number are deducted from the occupancy for things lige, elaborate stage builds, sound recording equipment, as that takes up space that the paying public would have ocupied. So in reality, if doing a 3 roomer, your MAX paying guests, would be alot nearer 600 people.....


Obviously you dont...let me just run through the basics for you...

Club Hire Fee: whole club, all floors circa 1000+, advertising,
500, DJs - locals u could get away with nothing, or beers,
main guest like Lisa Pin Up would be 1500
Cally & juice, 1500
Judge Jules 3000
Lashes, 3000
Pendulum 3500
A decent branded band would be 1500+
Additional Sound & Light upto 500
Tickets 100
promotion 350
(all plus vat)

get the picture....??

wow - firstly i never meant to piss off anyone with this post and have the upmost respect for the both of you - it was just an idea.

ok i'll start from the top.

its not there problem if it goes tits up, the people who have agreed a price should get paid regardless if 20 people or 2000 people turn up....


i agree with that one.




what are you on? you could put on a shit line up for that price lol, do you know how much it costs to do a event at the club?

To me when your are promoting event your breakeven point should be around or below half the full capacity, which james says somwhere on here is about 600 at matisse. you recently did a party at matisse where tickets were 10pounds (my pound sign button don't work on my keyboard lol, from now on i will use the dollar sign to indicate the pound sign which does not work on my afore mentioned keyboard, sorry i digress. The party you recently put on with the evolution experience at matisse had an excellent line up and by what you are saying on here cost maby $4000 to $4500 to put on? which would make the break even point at around 450 tickets sold before you start making a penny which begs the question what are you on? no offence - none taken - im trying to keep this lighthearted - it was after all just an idea and i wouldn't like to think i'd fallen out with someone purely over and idea posted in a forum.




Its an idea, bit the whole point of making an investmenet, wouild be to get some kind of return, and with that number, in fact anymore than 5 or 6 involved, it would be hard, & then there is the added complication that it is hard enough to get 2 people to agree what to do, let alone the ensuing arguments that would result if you had 5+ involved. 30...thats a fucking war of words from the strat!

They would get some kind of return as they sell the tickets, but it's not just about the money. Any promoter that says they put on events purely for the money is lieing. promoters put on partys mainly because it's a buzz putting on raves, otherwise why would they keep doing it for years and years when as james says most are in a reasonable amount of debt. you knows it makes sense. As for decideing line ups etc. As i said everything would have to be voted on and all investors would know this before investing and have to stick to it. this is the only way i could see of doing it any suggestions on this maby all the dj's could have a limbo contest in the club before opening to decide the running order of the dj's?





What you are basically refferring to is essentially investors in a company that will want some equity & a dividend for thier investment....a bit like Dragon's Den. It can work, but the company needs to be a well established & profitable enterprise before attracting investors. New Companies always find it hard to attract investors, & arts / entertainments are very high risk sectors.

yer just like dragons den, in fact thats a great name for the night "Dragons Den" thanks for that - in fact you could get a whole theme going with that - get Duncan Bannatyne that scottish mug down on the opening night to sign autographs from behind the bar and maby go up on stage and say hi and do a little bit of waving and handshaking....haha





Matisse is licenced for a MAXIMUM of 695 ppl, including staff, and if an event running, that includes your guest list, and in some cases, number are deducted from the occupancy for things lige, elaborate stage builds, sound recording equipment, as that takes up space that the paying public would have ocupied. So in reality, if doing a 3 roomer, your MAX paying guests, would be alot nearer 600 people....

i had no idea how many ppl matisse could hold - i just saw it on here somewhere that it was around 1000. so say it way 600 you could still double your money at $3000 and for some ppl selling 20 tickets(as it would be then) is so easy because they know alot of people or their in college or what ever.




Obviously you dont...let me just run through the basics for you...

Club Hire Fee: whole club, all floors circa 1000+, advertising,
500, DJs - locals u could get away with nothing, or beers,
main guest like Lisa Pin Up would be 1500
Cally & juice, 1500
Judge Jules 3000
Lashes, 3000
Pendulum 3500
A decent branded band would be 1500+
Additional Sound & Light upto 500
Tickets 100
promotion 350
(all plus vat)

get the picture....??

don't quite know how to take this - a little condescending? helpful advice? you have purposely exaggerated things here to make me look like a prat and included the most expensive dj's you could think of. obvisously pendulum & judge jules are out of the question if they cost $3000, but i still belive you could but on a night that ppl would be willing to pay $10 to go to for $3000.

at the end of the day gentlemen it was only an idea and i wouldn't want to step on anyones toes. if anything it would be good for promoters like yourselves to have 600 ravers in one place every few months to flyer them for your own events.

my fingers hurt from typing - enough is enough - goes without saying realy.lol

please don't take offence to this post - im just dicking around

Ive tried to explain that there is considerably more to stageing ANY event, than just book a space and try to fill it.

We generally use a budgetted break even of around 150-175 per event @ 10-12 OTD, wuth a worste case scenario in mind for lower numbers.

For the time being atleast, and as the ownership of matisse is in some doubt, we are not staging any events at Matisse for the forseeable future.

Voodoo Events, is satisfied that the nights we are running are budgetted & recoverable financially, and this ensures our future successes, without having to take bigger risks, which in the current eco climate may not be recoverable.

I would love 600 ravers in hwest every month, however, as you will find out, is Pembrokeshire doesnt have young people, ravers, youngsters who can have a life - as if we did , we may have a club / bar licencing policy that allowed large scale events to happen, past 2am...& in line with other areas of wales eg Camarthen, Swansea, etc.

Change the way Licencing operates, and that may hold the key to the future for events....

Your ideas are well thought out, and some are not new, you said to discuss...we have.

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