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This topic was posted in the Fabio and Grooverider - Live at Banus 9th Feb 2007 forum

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BANUS DOOR POLICIES
Banus!! Wot can I say? Was there actually anyone left in the club by the end of the night or had the intolerant door staff worked their way through the whole capacity of the club! After an unsuccessful photo with Grooverider himself (note to self radio1 djs are above that) not at all bitter!! I then watched as 2 of my party were ejected for reasons unknown to me I myself was half way through relieving my bladder when a jumped up member of the door staff hammered on the toilet door and demanded I "get the fuck out" I was then escorted to the door when I asked what I had done wrong. I was then accused of taking substances in the club and was told to leave or I would be searched. With a completely clear conscience and head I told them to go right ahead and search as I had nothing to find. After an unsuccessful search I asked if I could return inside and was told "No you were definetly up to something in the cubical I when I looked over"!! Perhaps my response was a little short but what the fk were the door staff doin perving on geezas in the toilet in the first place theres a time and place for that kind of carry on and it aint no where near me on my time you get me people. Tell me if im over reacting but after being told to leave I was greeted by 4 other people thrown out just prior to myself which got me thinking do they actually want to make a profit in this club? After Slinkys weekly residency turned to dust there isnt a pluthera of nights like this in the area and thought there maybe something new startin in my ends but I can assure you, that will be the last time I visit Wankin Weymouth which is a shame as Lisa Pinn up is spinning at the end of March lets just hope there's enough clubbers to greet her when she spins! Lisa if your out there best get an early set if you want punters to play to!!!
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Posted Wed 28 Feb 2007

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There seems to be a thread running throughout this site about the behaviour of the door staff, which is disturbing
What this thread and a couple of posts in the other thread??

What has happened to you is unacceptable.
So, whataretheylike, you were there and saw all of it to know that for sure were you? Do you know for sure that the door staff did not have any good reason to remove him from the club? Did you watch this guy's actions for the whole of the duration he was in the club? I seriously doubt it? All we have is his word that he didn't do anything wrong. As it has been said time and time before in this thread, and hundreds like it all over DSI and many other forums, if door staff see a person apparently behaving suspiciously or apparently wrongly THEY WILL REMOVE them from the premesis. At the end of the day it is at THEIR and the club management's discression. You have to remember that 98-99% of punters in the club do behave and don't get removed...


The apparent behaviour of the door staff is very worrying, having just seen, on the BBC, the treatment apparently meted out to the young woman in Sheffield by loads of Police when she was ejected from the nightclub.
As for that... its not as if she was blameless.... by her own addmission se below..

But South Yorkshire Police, who have launched their own inquiry, have defended the action, saying they were happy with the way the incident was handled.

The officer involved, PC Anthony Mulhall, said he punched the teenager in the arm in order to subdue her and get handcuffs around her wrists as she resisted arrest.

Ms Comer, who is now 20 and is attempting to sue the police, had been drinking brandy in the club and by her own admission she had become aggressive and had been ejected by security guards. Apparently in retaliation she vandalised the guard's car parked outside - she pleaded guilty to an offence of criminal damage and was ordered to pay £250 compensation to the owner.

Following the vandalism, police were called to the scene and the security cameras captured the incident which lies at the heart of the allegations of police assault.

Quote taken from: http://news.independent.co.uk/uk/crime/article2338652.ece

So by all means, carry on trying to argue... but at the end of the day, it happens.... not just here but in clubs everywhere, sometimes the person is in the right sometimes they are not. As I said before... LIVE WITH IT...
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Posted Fri 16 Mar 2007
check this thread for some door policy gripes (HTID20 @ Air, Brum)

CLICKY

To Quote 'Air - Door - Staff' - you should spend more time workin the doors in bham your all stuck up your own arses look at the end of the day if we are that bad at air dont come back that is so simple get a life
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Posted Fri 16 Mar 2007
That was a good read, Thanks bud!!!

It is obviously an issue that has been going on a long time. I'm sure I remember a friend coming back from GK @ Air at least a year or two ago mentioning the door staff were a bit spikey!!!
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Posted Fri 16 Mar 2007
A discussion on door policy could go on for an eternity.
Part of the problem is that the word 'doorman' is used a lot, when the door is only a small part of the equation.
'Doorstaff' are the eyes and ears inside a club. They are there to do two main things.
Firstly, protect the customers from harm
Secondly, protect the club and its licence.

The fact that there are people who go out clubbing with little or no respect for others or the place they go to means that 'security' is not only required by law, but essential.
And by respect, I'm talking about those who feel that violence is acceptable as is drug dealing.
Both of these threaten both the club and its patrons, purely out of selfishness on behalf of those doing it.

Now, as I've stated above in my first post, Banus, its staff and management do not care what anyone does outside of its premises.
If you want to use recreational drugs, it matters not to us, as long as you respect the fact that the club is peoples jobs and and their life and therefor, due to both legal and licence requirements it is unacceptable to do them whilst at the club.
The same goes for violence, under age drinking or any other matter that could put the clubs position in jeopardy.
Come 1st July, this will also involve smoking.

Now. Trying to police this, or any club is difficult.
Lights, smoke, noise and large amounts of people make it difficult to always be right, but in the vast majority of cases, security are correct and get the right person for the right 'crime'.
There will always be, however hard we try to avoid it, the small number of occassions where security are wrong.
In these circumstances, security still believe that they are correct unless it can be proved in a clear manner that what may have looked like something else, wasn't.

Now, the fact that we have so few genuine complaints about security within the club based against the number of people who have been asked to leave and the huge number of customers who in the last 4 years have been to the club says that in huge majority of cases, the security have acted in a proper manner and done their jobs correctly.
But, as I stated earlier, there is that tiny percentage when things do not go as they should.
For those instances, of course , the club is sorry.
It is not being done as a personal vendetta aginst someone or any other personal reasons.
You are being asked to leave because the secuirty believe that you are still in the wrong despite your words.

We would also ask tho that you bare in mind that security are doing their job under difficult conditions, that of trying to protect those people that are in the club wishing to enjoy an evening and also protecting the club so that it may continue to provide quality nights for a long time to come.
There may have been instances where their actions have indirectly already made evenings you have spent their better without you even being aware of it.

If there is still something you wish to say, feel free, either personally to me or on here.
Just make it clear, non profound and constructive...the club does listen to critiscm and, if something needs to be changed, reasoned statements are the best method of doing so.
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Posted Fri 16 Mar 2007
Edited Fri 16 Mar 2007
O dear wotever have I started! In response to that lovely weymouth lady I do withdraw my statement of "Wanking Weymouth" it was only spoken out of frustration to my original story and not at all a slam to the town or its inhabitance but I do stand by my original true account of events. I accept the clubs apology but still will not be returning. Will I be missed? I sure I wont but will head on down to The Grove tonight bearing in mind anymore than 20 seconds in the toilet is taking the piss, (excuse the pun)! Cheers for the responces it would appear Im not the one with the paranoia complex! Nuff love n respect to all my buddies n fellow raverz. Peace out Party people x
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Posted Fri 16 Mar 2007
I have to say out of all the clubs in weymouth the doorstaff in Banus are some of the best. This is the only time I have ever heard of any issues with them. Im not saying what happened on that night did or did not happen because i wasnt there. But the reputation that the Banus doorstaff have is very good compared to a certain Rock pub near scoffers (no names mentioned!). However there is a big issue with the bouncers in 2 of Weymouths clubs (I wont name and shame), and i have had first hand experience of this as well.

The best dorrstaff i can think of in weymouth are the ones at the Rum Shack. They work very hard and they dont over react to trivial things. A lot of door staff in weymouth also have major power trips which cant be good, but the rum shack bouncers never have any power trips that i know of. They are really good at their jobs, and wish all doorstaff could be like that.
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Posted Sat 17 Mar 2007
Edited Sat 17 Mar 2007
I have to say out of all the clubs in weymouth the doorstaff in Banus are some of the best.

I'm pretty sure that most clubs in Weymouth now use the same door staff company (Highlander Security) now due to the fact that they are very good at what they do. Banus, Dusk & Harry's are just 3 of the main clubs in Weymouth that share doorstaff.

However there is a big issue with the bouncers in 2 of Weymouths clubs (I wont name and shame), and i have had first hand experience of this as well.

I'm guessing that one of the clubs was aimed at Harry's.
We did used to have a big problem with doorstaff but since we've changed and gone with Highlander things have changed quite dramaticly.
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Posted Sat 17 Mar 2007
I am well aware that the doorstaff that are used is from Highland (and rum shack uses a different company I understand), and yes Harrys did get a bad rep, and i do realise they have improved. But I know of some very major complaints about certain places (and i have been witness to some of them) and Im not naming any clubs in any of this. But i will say that Banus does have a good door reputation generally as far as im aware, and im sure Banus will keep it up.

I will say that it is good to see Harrys door policy has improved.
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Posted Sat 17 Mar 2007
Edited Sat 17 Mar 2007
well... ive been reading these post's now for a while just to see what other opinions are on this issue, and whoa behold my comments get a mention, it'l be rude not to throw my two cent's in now hehe
ya cant grumble at clubs in town or built up area's employin "tuff" bouncers cos there are alot of arseholes bout, it'l just be nice to see the return of the oldstyle bouncer that will greet inderviduals (check that spelling out) equally until somin crops up, in my experience nowaday security make thier mind up on a person as they walk thru the door, especially in clubs LIKE banus that cater usually for other style's of music and aren't use to a load of white glove, whistle blowin, mad up for it party people sweatin it out on the dance floor for 7hours, ya just got to accept it in blairs briton.
keep your head down n enjoy stompin nite's on your doorstep OR get clued up to the parties and clubs that embrace our needs in weekend entertainment -oh, and you better get some transport lol
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Posted Sat 17 Mar 2007
I completely agree. It is very difficult to keep people like doorman regulated because of the type of job it is.

doorstaff should be tough when they have to be, but not oppressive.

I think you can learn alot from clubbing in the north about security, there are some positive things going on up there.

I do agree that all you can do is keep your head down and enjoy yourself, at the end of the day the core of clubbing is to go out and enjoy yourself.
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Posted Sat 17 Mar 2007
Edited Sat 17 Mar 2007
The best doorstaff I have ever encountered was at a Bionic night in Bridgend, Wales. Myself being a bit of a wildchild at the time decided it was a good idea to do some naughty things (I won't say what!)..

I managed to fall asleep on a friend in the club and was asked politely to keep awake otherwise I would unfortunately be ejected. Trying my hardest, I couldn't fulfil this simple request and was then asked to stand up. Being very messy I could barely walk, when two doorman gently escorted me downstairs and out of the club. They sat me down outside where I was very sick on the pavement. One doorman was rubbing my back whilst the other kindly got me a glass of water.

After about 10-15 minutes I was feeling much better and I was joined by my friends and we went home. The next day I found it fitting to send an e-mail to the club, praising the actions of their fair, friendly and helpful doorstaff.

In my opinion, if someone is too messy, there is no need to be heavy handed and use force. Only with cases of violence or aggression should force be applied. With cases of dealing, possession, the offender should be detained and dealt with by the police.

I received a mail back the following week from the two doorman, who said that they were more than happy to assist me, and that they found me to be very charming as I was chatting with them for quite a while after they had helped me!!

The club was Lava Ignite by the way.. go there, it's a bloody cracking club..
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Posted Sat 17 Mar 2007
ive never had a problem with security in london or ESP in Brighton. good security know when something is really up bad/new security wont. if you are civil to people they will nearly always be civil back.

if you are this upset about these issues and they dont get solved, just dont go to the night in quesition. if you find yourself in a similar situation, call the club complain to teh owner or manger and write a letter too. they are the people who can really get stuff sorted.
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Posted Sun 18 Mar 2007
saying this 2 of my friends were booted that night i left because i saw a lot of peeps gettin booted fair enough some were messy but 1 of my friends was one of the residents dj brother and he did absolutely nothing wrong stood by the toilets waiting for me because i had drunk a lot and i did feel sick they booted him for no reason when i asked why not i had no reply but the same thing happenned last night at dj sy in harrys bouncers well on top on people who dnt do shit i think its just a occassional thing the bouncers everywhere do?

apparenyly drugs and violence is goin up in the world i dnt think it is personally always been the same as far as im concerned fair play if there wasnt bouncers it would be stupid in the clubs but i do feel some think they are top notch when reallly too big for their boots!!!!
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Posted Sun 25 Mar 2007
I do think some bouncers (not all) in weymouth do incite violence, i have been witness recently to a couple of bouncers from different venues who have dragged people out of sight of the cameras just to do them over. some bouncers do get carried away with power trips, BUT i will say that the majority of bouncers do tend to be alright (try to do their job to the best of their ability.)

Even though there are issues with the nightlife in weymouth (as ive picked up from alot of areas), it is the nightlife we have got, we just need to make the best of it. its part and parcel to have bouncers who occasionally have power trips, but the main thing is to go out and enjoy ourselves, if you get a bouncer who does things you dont like then fine, just accept it, its part of clubbing. the clubs in weymouth try hard to give us a safe clubbing environment, and its up to us to help them with that, if there are any issues then im sure the promotors will work hard to sort them.
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Posted Tue 03 Apr 2007
Edited Tue 03 Apr 2007
It makes a change from what it used to be, Nowadays all door staff have got to be SIA registered and have to complete a course in order to get their license. On top of which, a criminal record can stop them getting a license. Its about 400 quid to do the course and get a 3 year license so it isnt like it used to be, people gotta follow codes of practise nowadays.

There was one incident i had to witness (not in weymouth), where an SIA registered doorman threw a glass back at a punter and as a result he had his license revoked and was banned from re-applying alltogether.

Most door people are sound as, and are very good at the job they do (certainly the case from what i've seen in weymouth). However there might be a few who will flout the law but if you see this then report it to club management, or if that fails then straight to the SIA their number is 0870 2430 100 - bear in mind you will need all the details, names etc.
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Posted Tue 03 Apr 2007
Edited Tue 03 Apr 2007

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