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is there really a need to post two different threads about the exact same event?

no need to spam the group with numerous threads about the same thing. i'll keep this one and delete the other. :)

is there really a need to get into the sometimes ridiculous discussions people do on one thread from phoenix parties? lolz

ew. cojami. heh.

I posted this HERE and have decided to re-post it in places where it is more on-topic (and so it doesn't completely disappear into the DSI ether). The subject line of this topic DEMANDS it. No offense to Tonic. :)

That's an interesting perspective. What are the things at all-ages parties that make them fun for you, besides kandie? What else about the environment is different/better?

I will have to argue that there ARE fun people at 18+ parties, but it depends on your definition of fun. If you are attending in order to dance, meet new people, have intelligent conversations, etc, and you consider THESE things fun, then there are likely plenty of fun people. If you are seeking to trade kandie, do lots of drugs, roll around on the floor, invent "rave names" for each other, become "rave parents" and stuff like that, well, I guess I see your point. There are some admittedly snobby/dismissive people at 18+ events, but if you are friendly, approach people respectfully and with something interesting to say, are willing to accept the input/advice/ideas/etc of older people, and can maintain that without letting yourself be affected by negative people, then you can likely make plenty of fun new friends.

The DJs aren't as good - at 18+ parties? May I ask what you base this conclusion on? Is it how much kandie they wear? Is it the kind of music they play? I honestly want to know. Much of the music here is made/played by people who have been doing this a long time. Check some of it out and see if you think the people putting it out there aren't any good.

And, the whole kandie thing... You should know that when many of us who are 18+ (well, mostly those of us who are 25+) started going to raves, kandie was not very common. Where it WAS common, it was never excessive - a piece here or there. Being "decked" in kandie would have been considered ridiculous by many.

Whether or not anyone goes home with anyone or asks how old they are before they do isn't really the main issue (though it IS an item of concern). The issue is that older people feel out of place and uncomfortable around a horde of teenagers and kids, especially when they're wearing next to nothing, rubbing each other, and on more drugs than most of the old school ravers would take in three months. To many of them, it feels like being 30 and going to a high-school kegger/makeout party where they have nothing in common with most of the people there and little to talk about. Except, at THIS kegger/makeout party, there's a lot of people (especially girls) running around with as much skin on display as possible and people are having sex in public and throwing all decency, coherency, and sense of purpose out the window.

All ages parties now guarantee increased scrutiny, hysteria, and harrassment on the part of media, law enforcement, and the rest of "the system." They bring a much greater likelihood of an event getting shut down, of someone getting hurt, of some parents freaking out and placing pressure on the authorities (*cough* Earthdance *cough*), etc. Also - People over 18 usually have jobs, careers, established and self-sufficient lifestyles, etc. Most of them have reservations about being photographed at such an event (or otherwise be associated with one). There's something called "Contributing to the delinquency of a minor." It can get a non-minor in big trouble, and it's a charge that can be placed upon a non-minor on a whim and on very little meaningful evidence.

There's also the concern about predatory individuals having easy access to teenagers with SEVERELY lowered inhibitions. Another of the litany of reasons adult ravers have a distaste for all ages parties, teenage kids in their underwear, teenagers on drugs, etc, is that they don't want them to GET HURT, or to be in any way witness to or associated with kids getting hurt. It ruins their FUN.

I agree with you about clubs - there is rarely a vibe (most people are there to drink and get laid), the music is often sterile/boring, and they're just not very interactive or meaningful. This is NOT what 18+ raves/parties are meant to be, which is why 18+ ravers still go to them.

To many of us who were raving in the 90s, the raves of today don't feel like raves AT ALL. The same complaints are often leveled against the DJs who play at them, and inverse complaints are rendered about the kandie. You see, kandie, stuffed animals, pastel colors, and childhood-themed clothing and accessories represent infantilism. It is the rave scene's current emphasis on such infantilism that contributes to the older folks being uncomfortable and thinking that many of the younger folks are younger than they actually are (and, when the younger folks ARE 18+, that understandably irritates and alienates them).

It is emphasis on this infantilism that also confuses many parents and society at large. When it is combined with the rampant and excessive drug use among many of the young ravers of today, with the utter lack of discretion, responsibility, and self-control that many of the young (and old) ravers exhibit, and with the current and widespread fashion trend of showing a LOT of skin, no matter WHAT age (and this is not something that is only seen at raves, BTW), well, you have a recipe for parents and governments and people in general viewing raves in a very negatively judgmental and dismissive frame of mind. Feel free to wear all the kandie, stuffed animals, and toddler clothing/underwear you want (nothing objectively wrong with it, PER SE), but know that these are the conditions, social norms, and concepts you're dealing with when you do, and that "teenage drug orgy" is often the message you're sending to the rest of society in the process. Most normal people will come to the conclusion that you HAVE to be on drugs to dress that way, even if you're not.

I firmly believe that raves are NOT meant to be hedonistic drug orgies, strip clubs, or environments where ANYTHING goes and people are free to do WHATEVER they want. They're about music, dancing, acceptance and free expression (of the self-respecting kind), sharing ideas, meeting new people, finding common ground/connecting with others, displaying/sharing/practicing creativity (all the way down to fashion), and celebrating life and the glorious potential of the human mind.

That's what I got out of it, anyway. I'm just one person. There were certainly a good amount of do-nothing, fry-your-brains-out hedonists in the old days. But there were lots of intelligent, kind, and interesting people too. Most of THOSE people got fed up long ago, in all honesty.

I feel I must reiterate: The "rave" environment that I'm seeing these days is almost NOTHING like the definition of "rave" that I (and many ravers in their 20s and 30s) know. There are those who argue that things change and that people should embrace and adapt to change. *I* argue that change should be positive, and when changes are made to something positive, they shouldn't be changes that undermine the values and ideas at the root of said positivity. Change should be constructive, and positive/constructive change to something good is rarely achieved by re-identifying it and casting out most or all of what made it good in the first place.

I realize that there is a knowledge gap and a disconnect between the teenagers, 18-25 year-old ravers, and the elder ravers (let's just call them "electronic music lovers"), and it's painfully obvious that not many good ideas are being passed down to the next generation. But, not all of us are so jaded that we won't talk to you or give you the time of day - it's just a matter of interfacing with individuals in a manner that is worthwhile (for me, I find it is more worthwhile to write something that many people can read and come back to at any time than to try to teach anyone anything face-to-face). There are those of us who are doing our part to practice and share the values we learned when we were young and were dancing all night. In exchange for th effort we put into this effort, I only ask that more of the young folk at least meet us halfway and show us that they can be responsible, conscientious, rational, and willing to accept ideas/input/feedback from older people. If they can convince us, maybe they can convince their parents and Johnny Law.

All-ages parties used to be places where teenagers WERE relatively safe (safer than at a high-school kegger or other types of concerts and parties, anyway), where they could feel comfortable interfacing with many of the older people, where they weren't often mistreated and misjudged, etc. That kind of environment could exist again - it depends on the behavior of ALL the people involved.

It is my hope that at least some of you youngsters (and oldsters) here on DSI have the patience, willingness, and ability to read and understand everything I've written here. If so, then there is potential for these ideas to be shared with others, and potential for more people to benefit from them by looking at their behavior and their environment/atmosphere and then recognizing how certain behaviors affect others and affect their community, species, and planet as a whole.

Okay, off my soap box. I'm usually wasting my time when I do this, but hopefully this time it won't won't be completely for naught.

its not for naught. i dont necessarily think its the ages that matter to be honest. more like the individual persons maturity level and how responsible they are. im 23 so im not defending myself here in any way, but i do have PLENTY of friends under 18 that go to parties fully clothed, and act responsible, whether they decide to use party favors that night or not. i have only been raving for a little over a year now, and ill admit, when i first started it was more about the drugs and the environment, but over the last 7 months or so i have been raving completely sober, and learning to appreciate the music for what it is. even when i was still getting messed up at raves i was always in control and took care of myself, because im a pretty responsible person. there are always going to be problems like this with raves, but hopefully if more of us teach the newbies what PLURR is really about (everyone always leaves out the second r=responsibility) then maybe we have a chance, just maybe.

That's good to hear. You are definitely right about it being an individual matter. And I didn't mean to suggest or otherwise imply that people under 18 aren't capable of being responsible. I was just compelled to provide a perspective of an adult at today's raves.

Unfortunately, the state does not treat us as individuals - something that speed limits, curfew laws, and other "lowest common denominator" systems of law demonstrate.

true that. *sigh*